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Thursday, January 17, 2008
Election 2008: Madeleine K. Albright Lays it Down
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Monday, December 17, 2007
Small "R" republicanism and the United States

Our dear friend recently sent us a link to a March 6, 2001 Bill introduced into the House of Representatives by sometime Texas Republican, sometime Texas Independent, and current 2008 presidential hopeful, Ron Paul. M.O.W. was shocked upon reading the Bill, "Expressing the sense of the Congress in reaffirming the United States of America as a republic," not because she disagrees with the premise of the Bill, but because she never heard about it in 2001. We find it intriguing that Mr. Paul both knows the difference between a republic and a democracy and knows that the United States is a republic (as we have often mentioned here: democracy is a lie).
Yes, Mr. Bush, you are the great uniter because God told you to unite Americans and you united them. Oh, and, also, you will succeed because "we [you, Mr. Bush] are confident in principles that unite and lead us onward."
So confident you are, Good work!
Oh, and Mr. Bush, this is a little creepy in retrospect: "Some seem to believe that our politics can afford to be petty because, in a time of peace, the stakes of our debates appear small. But the stakes for America are never small. If our country does not lead the cause of freedom, it will not be led." I mean, September 11, 2001 is just eight months away and it kinda looks like you're saying here that we need a war to unite us and it kinda sounds like you're kinda saying the same thing here that you will say in your January 29, 2002 Axis of Evil SOTU.
We are not sayin', we're just sayin'.

1) Whereas the form of government secured by the Declaration of Independence, the American Revolution, and the Constitution of the United States is a republic--not a democracy;**
Yes, while the Declaration did not use the word "republic" it also did not use the word "democracy" and most Americans understood in 1776 that the Revolution had created a republican form of government in each state and a Confederated republic of States. By 1787 Americans self-consciously rejected democracy and embraced republicanism (see our posts on the shenanigans surrounding the ratification of the Constitution and Shays's Rebellion) largely due to their fear of the people ruling.
2) Whereas the Nation's founders understood that pure 'democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths' (Federalist No. 10);
Yes, R. Paul, J-Mad wrote in Fed 10 that he feared democracy, yes.
3) Whereas throughout the 224-year history of the United States as an independent and sovereign nation, the people of the United States have never exercised power as a democracy;
Yes, R. Paul, you are right again. America has never been a democracy.
4) Whereas the people of the United States have always acted by and through the Federal Union of the several States, electing Members of Congress from each of the several States and the President and Vice President by electoral votes proportioned to the number of Members of Congress representing each State;
Yes, the people have always acted through their Representatives--that is the definition of a republic, what is your point?
5) Whereas in the 2000 election for choosing electors for President and Vice President, it appears that the President-elect and Vice President-elect have won a majority of the State electoral vote, but not a plurality of the nationwide popular vote;
Uh-Oh! Oh, snap! Now R. Paul is getting going and he's going to let you have it GWB! You didn't win the popular vote and you know it! (and, you shouldn't have won the Electoral Vote and the Supreme Court shouldn't have decided the election and you know that too!)
6) Whereas the prospect of electing to office a President and Vice President who did not win the largest number of popular votes has generated proposals calling for a constitutional amendment to provide for the direct popular election of the President and Vice President;
Yes, abolish the Electoral College, do it, DO IT! As M.O.W. wrote in a little USAToday Letter to the Editor in November 2000, the Electoral College is premised upon antiquated and insulting logics, meant to prevent the people from ruling. You tell 'em, R. Paul!
7) Whereas such a national popular election for President and Vice President disregards the constitutional integrity and inviolability of the 50 States as independent and sovereign governments;
Whaaaaa? I'm sorry R. Paul, but you've lost us a little here. What do you mean about the "national popular election" potentially disregarding the "integrity and inviolability of the 50 States as independent and sovereign governments??" Oh, wow, like you mean that if those crazy "abolish the Electoral College" nutjobs (like M.O.W.) get their way, then the States will no longer be independent and sovereign? Oh, dude. No. That was not where we thought that you were going with that. We thought that you might be a man of the people. You are SO not a man of the people, you are a man of the States! Let's hear it for States' Rights and R. Paul! Wheeeeeeee.
8) Whereas in their foresight and wisdom, the people of the United States, meeting by representation in State conventions, adopted a national Constitution preserving the independence and equal standing of the 50 States;
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We totally see you now. I mean, we could mention that there were obviously not 50 states in 1787-1789, but what would be the point, really? We could also point out that there was equal representation in the Senate only and that proportional representation prevailed in the House and in the Electoral College, which would mean that "the people of the United States" did not preserve "the independence and equal standing of the 50 States." In fact, J-Mad's original Virginia Draft was meant to do this, but it was shot down. Ever hear of the "Great Compromise"? I guess not.
9) Whereas the Federal system of equal and independent States is an essential safeguard against shifting wills of the majority overriding the unchanging rights of the minority;
Well, ok, see my response above for the "equal and independent" canard, but did you just say that you are against majority will and the people? But, you just said that the 2000 election was messed up because the popular vote was disregarded. We are so confused. Do you like the people or don't you? Cause it kinda seems like you don't.
10) Whereas to preserve the rights of the minority from a tyranny of the majority, the Constitution of the United States struck a principled balance between the people of the most populous States and the people of the least populous States;
That is one way of looking at it. Another way would be to say the small states threatened to walk out of the Constitutional Convention unless J-Mad changed the method of representation in the House, thus holding the entire Convention, the Constitution, and the nation hostage to their "minority rights."
11) Whereas to that end, the Constitution of the United States provides that the legislatures of each of the several States, without interference from Congress or any other branch of the Federal Government or State governments, determine the manner of election of the President and the Vice President by State electors from each State;
Once again R. Paul, you are very confused. As we've already mentioned, the Electoral College is premised on the same proportional representation as the House is, which means that it is specifically not equal. Haven't you ever noticed that Texass gets more Electoral College votes than Maryland, for example?
12) Whereas the number of electors is distributed in accordance with each State's representation in the House of Representatives and in accordance with each State's equal standing in the Senate, not by a direct nationwide election in accordance with population alone;
Right, not equal, then, right? OK, but also, as you say, not by a direct nationwide popular vote.
13) Whereas the constitutionally prescribed system in the 2000 election for choosing electors for President and Vice President continues to function as originally designed, protecting minority and States' rights from the exercise of majority power; and
We are sorry, but what part of the 2000 election appeared to you to follow the constitutionally prescribed system? We are getting tired...
14) Whereas the electoral college system thereby preserves the diversity of the American people and maintains the United States as a Federal republic--not as a democracy:
Oh, R. Paul! This is a mess. What have you done? You've not proven diversity of the American people, this is completely off topic; nor have you proven that the Electoral College maintains the U.S. as a Federal republic. You see, the people could directly vote for the president and the nation could still be a republic. One thing technically has nothing to do with the other. We call non sequitar, false cause and red herring on you! Bad arguments, R. Paul. Very bad, indeed.
Thus, and to these ends, R. Paul made his argument that the United States is a republic rather than a democracy. He did not make these arguments to liberate the people from the democratic myth, but rather to further the Electoral College and protect what he believed was the States' "equal and independent" status.
You sir, are no man of the people.
And that is about the worst thing that M.O.W. can think to say to someone who hopes to be president. We see you R. Paul and we are not pleased.
*Technically it was a Concurrent Resolution, meaning members from both the House and the Senate authored and submitted the Bill, but Paul was the first author and the submitter, which is why we can call it his Bill.
**Editorial note: like a good debater, we've number the propositions to facilitate our rebuttal.
Monday, October 29, 2007
Executive Power, Part II: The 2008 Presidential Election Edition
We are very concerned about the 2008 Presidential election, especially because of what the last Administration has done to pervert the balance of power between the branches (see our post on Cheney's Law below). M.O.W. knows that there are serious problems facing the nation; indeed, how could she forget with CNN reminding us that the "planet is in peril" at every opportunity. Yes, we must choose our next president based upon how well we believe that she or he can solve problems, for America--and the world--faces more problems today than perhaps it ever has before in its history. Let's face it, loyal founder-stalkers, we are beset on all sides with impending disaster: the economy, health care, Social Security, education, the environment, race relations, the un-ending War on Terror, and more each demand real solutions in the next eight years. We have real problems that need solved, and how.
The temptation, therefore, is to promote someone to the office of the presidency who is a known problem-solver. Yet, M.O.W. believes that we must be very careful about who we chose, for a balance must be struck between choosing a president who is energetic and one who will abuse their power and further consolidate power in the Executive Branch. We know that there are many, many problems facing the nation and that Americans may be tempted to vote based solely on who has a workable plan to fix Social Security or the environment or end the War on Terror, for example. But, M.O.W. strongly believes that the presidency itself is in as precarious a position as the environment or the economy and she would urge her fellow Americans to consider how their candidate would handle power once it was theirs.
We are not alone in our worry. Rachel Morris over at Washington Monthly has an excellent article about the possibility of a Rudy Giuliani presidency and what his track record as NYC Mayor portends for his use of Executive power. She argues that if we can read the past as prologue, then "of all the presidential candidates, Giuliani is most likely to take the expansions of the executive branch made by the Bush administration and push them further still." This is a thought that makes M.O.W. very, very nervous.
Like most Americans, we were grateful for Mayor Giuliani on September 11, 2001. We felt, unlike President Bush, that Mayor Giuliani seemed like a leader. He appeared on tv at regular intervals and said things that made sense: he needed these services here and there, he had co-ordinated rescue efforts here and there, we should stay out of the city, donate blood, help out, etc. Yes, M.O.W. was impressed with Giuliani on that day, especially when contrasted with what President Bush said--"America was targeted for attack because we're the brightest beacon for freedom and opportunity in the world"--as if saying something as inane and insipid as that would actually help anything or anyone on that day. Thus, M.O.W. can easily see the appeal of a Giuliani presidency: he seems like the kind of guy who would solve problems and get things done.
And, we need problems solved right now.
But, let us remember that we need to resolve the problems with the constitution too and if Rudy Giuliani is the kind of leader who gets things done by fiat and refuses to act within the restraints accorded to the office by the constitution, then his presidency would be harmful to the nation. History is full of examples of people giving power to men who promise to solve problems and who become tyrants, dictators, fuehrers.
M.O.W. is watching the presidential race very carefully. She plans to ask each of the leading candidates what they would do with power should it become theirs. We encourage our fellow founder-stalkers to do the same.
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Tuesday, August 7, 2007
2008 Prez Wannabees
M.O.W found this chart on the internets and thought that it might be helpful for those of you--like her--who are trying to sort out all of the myriad candidates and positions. This little chart--M.O.W. is not sure who made it, truth be known--handily organizes the 18 known candidates on 18 issues facing the United States in the year 2007.
We have to admit that no one here corresponds exactly to our views, but we like Obama and Edwards the best at this point (we even have an Obama t-shirt). They seem hopeful, energetic. They seem like they have a plan and they know how to use it. They do not appear to be out for power merely for power's sake, but rather to do something good with it. We like that and we hope for good things from them. Remembering that abuse of power comes as no surprise, we are cautiously optimistic, however.
Yet, in glancing over their respective positions we were a little dismayed to learn that Edwards supports the death penalty, which M.O.W. finds barbaric. Why, oh, why Mr. Edwards should the state be allowed to kill people? Isn't it bad enough that we have the world's largest prison population? And, Mr. Obama, don't think that we didn't notice that you and Edwards both support the Patriot Act and are both against same-sex marriage. What gives, gentleman? We find many things to admire in your positions, we would just feel more comfortable giving you our support if we could understand why you think it fine to deny people basic rights and equality.
What say you Founder-Chic readers: Obama/Edwards '08 or Edwards/Obama '08?